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Discussion: Bush Veto on Troop Withdrawal- Thoughts, anyone?
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ACottrell |
Bush Veto on Troop Withdrawal- Thoughts, anyone?
May 2 2007, 3:02 AM EDT Well, it looks like a Democratic Congress can't see eye-to-eye with the Prez. Gee, big surprise. Sarcasm aside, what do you think about troop withdrawal? 5 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you? |
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J-Me |
RE: Bush Veto on Troop Withdrawal- Thoughts, anyone?
May 3 2007, 4:26 PM EDT I think this is a difficult question. Personally, I would like to say "get out of there"... I would have liked to have the troops withdrawn years ago. However, now that they are there and we've dabbled in the "let's form a democracy" business, it's difficult to say what would happen if we pulled them out now. It's quite obvious that there are still several instabilities, and a withdrawl now might ruin any ounce of progress we have achieved. Unfortunately, I think that past record shows that our involvement in foreign affairs tends to have some pretty negative consequences anyway, so it's difficult. I think a large portion of the population no longer feels attached to this issue. It's just something that we're doing-- we hear about it everyday and we know that it's going on, so it becomes easy to ignore. 2 out of 7 found this valuable. Do you? |
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RE: Bush Veto on Troop Withdrawal- Thoughts, anyone?
May 3 2007, 7:05 PM EDT "I think this is a difficult question. Personally, I would like to say "get out of there"... I would have liked to have the troops withdrawn years ago. However, now that they are there and we've dabbled in the "let's form a democracy" business, it's difficult to say what would happen if we pulled them out now. It's quite obvious that there are still several instabilities, and a withdrawl now might ruin any ounce of progress we have achieved. Unfortunately, I think that past record shows that our involvement in foreign affairs tends to have some pretty negative consequences anyway, so it's difficult.There's a great website you might be interested in called Wikidemocrats.com. They too have similar thinking there. You might feel right at home. 6 out of 7 found this valuable. Do you? |
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J-Me |
RE: Bush Veto on Troop Withdrawal- Thoughts, anyone?
May 3 2007, 7:30 PM EDT "There's a great website you might be interested in called Wikidemocrats.com. They too have similar thinking there. You might feel right at home."I think that's the problem. I am not a democrat or a republican. I am just a person with opinions. Furthermore, I think it's absolutely ridiculous to have someone with a unique or opposing opinion leave your forum. Wouldn't that make for such a boring discussion? I mean, really, who would you pick on? Each other? 1 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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ACottrell |
RE: Bush Veto on Troop Withdrawal- Thoughts, anyone?
May 3 2007, 8:36 PM EDT "I think that's the problem. I am not a democrat or a republican. I am just a person with opinions. Furthermore, I think it's absolutely ridiculous to have someone with a unique or opposing opinion leave your forum. Wouldn't that make for such a boring discussion? I mean, really, who would you pick on? Each other?"Lol, no one's asking you to leave, J-Me. That's why I'm posting these questions- to get some healthy debate going. 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Freedomparty |
RE: Bush Veto on Troop Withdrawal- Thoughts, anyone?
May 7 2007, 1:06 PM EDT "Lol, no one's asking you to leave, J-Me. That's why I'm posting these questions- to get some healthy debate going.I personally believe we will never withdrawl from Iraq. NOt voluntarily or by order of the president. The reason we haven't left Iraq is because it is a VERY strategic postion. we are still there because we want the Iraqis to depend on us so much that they end up being a part of the US ( not that alot would mind or care) That is the real reason we aren't leaving. IRAQ is a playing peace. It is the rook or queen of the middle east. 0 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Peabody Peabody |
RE: Bush Veto on Troop Withdrawal- Thoughts, anyone?
May 7 2007, 6:24 PM EDT Bush won't get us out, but something must be done. We need to get out but can't leave it in the state it's in. I think our best option is to leave ASAP and make the best bad decision. It's too late for a good decision; all we have our many bad decisions, so let's pick the best one. I like Barack Obama's plan for leaving Iraq a lot. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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ACottrell |
RE: Bush Veto on Troop Withdrawal- Thoughts, anyone?
May 7 2007, 9:25 PM EDT "we are still there because we want the Iraqis to depend on us so much that they end up being a part of the US ( not that alot would mind or care) That is the real reason we aren't leaving. IRAQ is a playing peace. It is the rook or queen of the middle east."I think that's the furthest thing from our minds! 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Freedomparty |
RE: Bush Veto on Troop Withdrawal- Thoughts, anyone?
May 8 2007, 1:10 PM EDT "I think that's the furthest thing from our minds! "Meaning no offence, but of course it would! You republicans are the one that let Bush JR. in the white House! You don't want to think of something like that being possibel, but it is. Remember, nothing is impossible, only improbalbe. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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ACottrell |
RE: Bush Veto on Troop Withdrawal- Thoughts, anyone?
May 10 2007, 12:50 PM EDT That makes absolutely no sense to me. What evidence could you possible base this theory on? You can't disprove a negative, by the way. Do you find this valuable? |
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J-Me |
RE: Bush Veto on Troop Withdrawal- Thoughts, anyone?
May 10 2007, 1:09 PM EDT I agree with this. I've read the comment several times trying to make logical sense of it so that I could respond. So "nothing is impossible" (examples: people can fly without apparatus, x-ray vision, any superhero powers, alien invasion, fountain of youth/living forever---all possible... but all very improbable). What you're essentially arguing is that "it's not NOT going to happen", which doesn't give any logical reason or explanation for why it might happen or why it could be "probable" and not "impossible". I also wanted to respond to the Bush Jr. in the White House comment. I think that regardless of who was elected President, our involvement in Iraq was imminent after 9/11. American's wanted a response. There was an emptiness that needed to be filled, and the overwhelming majorit wanted something to happen in response. Although now, we are divided on withdrawl, I think that the initial involvement would have happened regardless of who was in office. Do you find this valuable? |
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folkrockman folkrockman |
RE: Bush Veto on Troop Withdrawal- Thoughts, anyone?
May 11 2007, 9:12 PM EDT "I agree with this. I've read the comment several times trying to make logical sense of it so that I could respond. So "nothing is impossible" (examples: people can fly without apparatus, x-ray vision, any superhero powers, alien invasion, fountain of youth/living forever---all possible... but all very improbable). What you're essentially arguing is that "it's not NOT going to happen", which doesn't give any logical reason or explanation for why it might happen or why it could be "probable" and not "impossible".I don't agree. At the time, I had no idea why we invaded Iraq. I still don't know. It's possible that some historian some day may be able to clear this up for me but I have seen NO connection between Iraq and 9/11 from the beginning. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Freedomparty |
RE: Bush Veto on Troop Withdrawal- Thoughts, anyone?
May 21 2007, 8:21 AM EDT "I also wanted to respond to the Bush Jr. in the White House comment. I think that regardless of who was elected President, our involvement in Iraq was imminent after 9/11. American's wanted a response. There was an emptiness that needed to be filled, and the overwhelming majorit wanted something to happen in response. Although now, we are divided on withdrawl, I think that the initial involvement would have happened regardless of who was in office. "That is kinda of a freaky and disturbing thought that i might not post for a while. That we would want to attack someone simply for the fact that we wanted to hit somethign is disturbing.... Do you find this valuable? |
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ACottrell |
RE: Bush Veto on Troop Withdrawal- Thoughts, anyone?
May 21 2007, 11:20 AM EDT Not disturbing, but true. Of course America wanted to act when we were attacked on our own soil! What was your reaction? Do you find this valuable? |
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J-Me |
RE: Bush Veto on Troop Withdrawal- Thoughts, anyone?
May 21 2007, 6:45 PM EDT "That is kinda of a freaky and disturbing thought that i might not post for a while. That we would want to attack someone simply for the fact that we wanted to hit somethign is disturbing...."I don't think that we wanted to attack for no reason, or simply to "hit something". We had been attacked. In that moment, immediately following the WTC incident, people wanted some sort of retribution. I think many people would have been even more critical of the Bush Administration had they chosen to do nothing. While Iraq may not have been the correct target (considering what we know at this point), something needed to happen in order to show the world that we would not allow ourselves to be vulnerable anymore. Do you find this valuable? |
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Freedomparty |
RE: Bush Veto on Troop Withdrawal- Thoughts, anyone?
May 22 2007, 8:03 AM EDT "Not disturbing, but true. Of course America wanted to act when we were attacked on our own soil! What was your reaction? "My first reaction was to cry and pary for those who had died and pray for those who might live. I had no thoughst of killing the people who did it. Heck the terrorists that did it died in the attack didn't they? And it was a group, not a people. I heard on the news that it was Al-Queda. When you look at a map of the world, do you see a country or region labeld "Al-Queda"! Was your reaction to go out your door and shoot anyone who wasn't wanting to kill or attack something beacuse of what they did?! 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Freedomparty |
RE: Bush Veto on Troop Withdrawal- Thoughts, anyone?
May 22 2007, 8:06 AM EDT "I don't think that we wanted to attack for no reason, or simply to "hit something". We had been attacked. In that moment, immediately following the WTC incident, people wanted some sort of retribution. I think many people would have been even more critical of the Bush Administration had they chosen to do nothing. While Iraq may not have been the correct target (considering what we know at this point), something needed to happen in order to show the world that we would not allow ourselves to be vulnerable anymore. "Ummm,.. Hello?! WE ARE STILL VULNERABLE!!! We will always be vulnerable. No one can be invulnerable. Sure you can be a bit more secured, but you can't become invulnerable. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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ACottrell |
RE: Bush Veto on Troop Withdrawal- Thoughts, anyone?
May 22 2007, 11:47 AM EDT "Ummm,.. Hello?! WE ARE STILL VULNERABLE!!! We will always be vulnerable. No one can be invulnerable. Sure you can be a bit more secured, but you can't become invulnerable."This is no longer a thread about some modicum of intelligent discourse and debate, so I'm out. 1 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Freedomparty |
RE: Bush Veto on Troop Withdrawal- Thoughts, anyone?
May 23 2007, 7:53 AM EDT "This is no longer a thread about some modicum of intelligent discourse and debate, so I'm out. "In my opinion, sometimes thats the way political arguments end up. Not all the time mind you, but sometimes. If it will help concel you any, I won't be on for a while so have fun! :) 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
